Ok, since I have to get caught up once and for all, I started tinkering with the contact manager sample app of Dave Shuck's. My coworker, Brandon, had added a little to it, so I started tinkering with that version. So, I was challenged to add a field to the contact side of it. (Currently, there are users, and contacts) After about an hour's worth of work, (mainly just getting a better feel for how things run) I added it. It updates, etc. Mach II is far easier to troubleshoot than your standard proecedural code, that's for damned sure. I've spent hours digging around going thru includes and crap trying to nail down that one URL that didn't have the DSN in it. So far, so good. Since I plan on going hardcore MachII over the next few weeks, I'll probably be blogging mainly about my experiences. Here goes nothin'.